Of course there is no question that some things are talked about and planned on the golf course or in other places, which are kept from public knowledge. But that has nothing to do with conspiracy theories.

FAKTuell:
Do you think there is a possibility of preventing the scenario you have painted from going into effect?

Dr. SL:
Of course.
Man is a historical being. Human society lives in history and that means it has a past, a present, but today it only has a possible future. Today we are experiencing a number of historical lines which have their origin in human spiritual actions.

I am making reference here to the development of technologies which depend on economic realities and which are becoming very obvious looking at predictions of climate change and catastrophic poisoning of the oceans. These realities have been created by humans and they will be overcome by humans - or not.

Also the medical/industrial complex has been created by humans. And in the same way, the concept of democratic nations based on law was thought up by humans, as has been the concept of the United Nations, the world organization of the community of nations. There is no question however, that these concepts and what is really going on are widely separated today.

But we do have these concepts, from the global level down to the smallest village in Germany, to the lowest court in Germany. We only have to sustain the development of the concepts.

FAKTuell:
Is that not a bit naive?
At least there are, from what you are saying, great economic interests and politically very effective behind-the-scenes forces active in this bird flu scenario, which certainly have more money and more influence than both of us together.

Dr. SL:
We are convinced that the starting point in all this is the theory of infectivity.

When we started, over ten years ago, to look into the theory of infective AIDS, we had no idea of the dimensions this would be assuming. At that time we thought AIDS was just a mistake. But today, after we have insistently demanded proofs, we are able to show that the whole theory of infectivity is invalid. It is grounded in intentional deception.

In the last 20 years or more Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer has shown with his New Medicine, that just about all of current medicine as taught in universities is founded on errors, deception and fraud.

This global fraud we are witnessing today is easy to expose - and also to overcome - by concentrating on the theory of infectivity and on the bird flu scenario: The contradictions and lies at the base of this fraud are getting ever more transparent.

German law makes it illegal for any public health employee to knowingly participate in such a fraud directed against the population. This is our problem, or if we look at the positive side of it, the challenge that has to be met, a challenge that CAN be met - if we want to do so.

FAKTuell:
But How?
In specific terms - how do you want to meet this challenge?

Dr. SL:
It has been more than 50 years that in Germany, we have had the construct of a democratic nation based on laws, where all power is to flow from the people.

For more than 50 years, we have treated this like someone who has a bathroom but does not use it. To stay with the metaphor: we need to finally think about using our bathroom.

As citizens we must not tolerate such deception by government offices as has been documented in our book "The Bird Flu - The US War Against Mankind" [Die Vogelgrippe. Der Krieg der USA gegen die Menschheit].

This intentional deception of the people by government offices in connection with the theory of infectivity has also been documented in other publications of the klein-klein-publishers.

The people are the boss. This is detailed by democratically legitimized laws. Every one of us has several ways - at least that is what the laws say - to demand that these laws are followed.

We as a people have acted for more than 50 years like a businessman who, for all that time, has never controlled his employees and who accepts their fraudulent actions directed against him.

Such a business would have long gone insolvent. No one in the industrial nations can seriously wonder why their governments are participating in the bird flu crime.

It was not part of the plan of these criminals that in the last few years, in connection with klein-klein and especially in Germany, more and more citizens have started to behave like citizens, have posed the question of proof in connection with the theory of infectivity. They have stopped accepting deception and lies by those in the employ of the state, who are still living the ideas of a dictatorship where everyone consents to everything and where no employee of the state is ever held responsible.

FAKTuell:
That sounds very good, but can it really be put in practice?

Dr. SL:
We do have a chance if more and more people put on their citizens hat and refuse to accept false statements and actions in connection with the unverifiable, klein-klein-[little-by-little]-disproved theory of infectivity, specifically with regard to the bird-flu-fraud and the influenza-pandemic-crime.

Those who wait for the pharmaceutical industry or the World health organization to act in the vital interest of people and thus also in his/her own vital interest will obviously wait in vain, until it is too late. True, time is running short, but we still have sufficient time at our disposal to ask, as citizens, that our government employees fulfill their basic duty of service and act in accordance with best knowledge, refusing to knowingly perpetrate lies that lead to participation in serious crimes.

FAKTuell:
And do you think you will succeed?

Dr. SL:
Those conspiracy theorists and critics who hide the fact that health, life and our future have anything to do with politics are supporting the erroneous view that the individual cannot do anything. We only show that the individual has room for action.

Little by little [klein-klein] we have shown by our work in these last years that single citizens are certainly able to make the official deceptions in connection with the theory of infectivity, with AIDS and vaccinations and now with the bird flu and the planned idiots' vaccination for all based on lies about an influenza pandemic, ever more transparent and provable.

In a real democratic nation based on laws, such an idiots' vaccination based on lies about influenza viruses would not be possible. We still do not know exactly what new nano-particle-neurotoxins and what so-called genetic components are in the new pandemic-influenza vaccine, which the federal government has ordered making an advance payment of 60 million Euro.

But it is certain that there will be other substances in addition to the currently used mercury and aluminium hydroxide. These neurotoxins are causing mental retardation - they are destroying the growing generation in Germany - but they might seem harmless against what is yet to come.

FAKTuell:
Can you summarize in a simple way what you believe needs to be done?

Dr. SL:
I am staying with the bathroom metaphor. It is not enough that we have owned a bathroom for 50 years. We should start thinking how we might put that bathroom to good use. It is not enough to have the concept of a democratic nation based on laws, which is what we have had since 1949 by our federal 'basic law' and the state constitutions. We should use that concept in a proper way - as citizens of the state, as a people.

We are not the state's employees and we don't work for the politicians. State employees and politicians are to serve the people. That is what the constitution demands, although state employees and politicians seem to be having problems with that.

This becomes quite obvious from the fact that all politicians and state employees are still participating in criminal bird flu panic-making, although it appears from the results of the question of evidence, that more and more this happens against better knowledge and to the detriment of the people.

FAKTuell:
Aren't they establishing a bird flu related professorship at the university of Konstanz, just close to your home? Wouldn't you like to apply and clarify a few things?

Dr. SL: (laughs)
At my university! That would indeed be very interesting. But you can be sure that such a professorship has not been established to clear things up. For the consensus, I would be the wrong man on that post. No, we have to continue little-by-little. Participation in a serious crime against humanity by state employees and politicians against their better knowledge must become more and more transparent. This will happen when ever increasing numbers of citizens address their state employees and politicians to demand true and clear statements about the planned dulling of man's wits through vaccinations in connection with pandemic influenza.

Those who are waiting for the pharmaceutical industry to so something positive are going to wait in vain.